My cousin told me that his buddy "the mechanic" told him that Toyota
factory oil filters had a ball valve in them that kept the oil from running
back down into the pan which would keep the motor from prematurely wearing
out because of the lack of oil at start up. Since almost everything else
this cousin has told me has turned out to be bullshit I thought I would see
if his record will remain intact. Thanks in advance.
02
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22R oil filter question
"Blackout" <black…@404subgenius.com> wrote in message
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> My cousin told me that his buddy "the mechanic" told him that Toyota
> factory oil filters had a ball valve in them that kept the oil from
running
> back down into the pan which would keep the motor from prematurely wearing
> out because of the lack of oil at start up. Since almost everything else
> this cousin has told me has turned out to be bullshit I thought I would
see
> if his record will remain intact. Thanks in advance.
He’s partialy right. There is an anti drain back valve in the factory
filter, but it’s not a ball valve. It’s just a simple sheet of rubber that’s
pushed out of the way when the pump starts flowing oil, and then moves back
to prevent the oil from draining back out when the pump stops.
Chris
Blackout wrote:
> My cousin told me that his buddy "the mechanic" told him that Toyota
> factory oil filters had a ball valve in them that kept the oil from running
> back down into the pan which would keep the motor from prematurely wearing
> out because of the lack of oil at start up. Since almost everything else
> this cousin has told me has turned out to be bullshit I thought I would see
> if his record will remain intact. Thanks in advance.
Will call it "semi-bullshit", it does have a valve to prevent oil run
off, but its just a rubber flapper type. It also has its own bypass
valve built in as Toyota never put these into the engine block. The
flapper is visable in the outer ring of oil holes in the base of the
filter. You can see these by just flipping it over and looking. As for
bypass, its also visable through the center hole at the bottom of the
inside. These are all standard features and required by the
manufacturer, swapping filters from other applications just because
"they fit" in the sense it screws on and the o-ring aligns doesnt mean
it fits. No bypass on a cold morning? That can be quick. No drain back
on the filter can lead to bearing failure over time.
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On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:22:50 -0700, "Blackout"
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> My cousin told me that his buddy "the mechanic" told him that Toyota
>factory oil filters had a ball valve in them that kept the oil from running
>back down into the pan which would keep the motor from prematurely wearing
>out because of the lack of oil at start up. Since almost everything else
>this cousin has told me has turned out to be bullshit I thought I would see
>if his record will remain intact. Thanks in advance.
It’s not a ball valve, but there IS an anti drainback valve.
Any quality filter will have one.
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the anti drain valve keeps the pump primed, but does not prevent the filter
from emptying if the filter is mounted upside down. The 4 cyl camry had a
filter that is upside down. the filter will empty over a few minuets but the
filter inlet from the filter to the pump pickup stays primed. On my 96 camry
I would let the filter empty and never spill oil when I removed the filter.
ask most mechanic if the oil enters in the center or outside edge of the
filter and you will get a blank stare. Most do not know. It enters the
outside edge is filtered and then goes out the center to the engine.When you
cut off the engine the flapper valve keeps the pump and pickup tube primed.
Note that not all Toyota filters have an internal bypass valve, the
90915-YZZB5 being one. (The -YZZB5 is the usual filter sold by dealers for
the 4.7 liter V8 engine…the -20004 filter with a bypass is the one that
comes on a new engine and is available at some dealers.)
I’ve seen the bypass valve inside the -20004 and cut the -YZZB5 filter open
and seen and photographed no bypass.
Ken
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mazdaman85 wrote:
> I had a not-so-reliable source (more apt for computer hardware than
> automotive) tell me he thinks Ford made a motor for Toyota, trucks I
> assume he meant. I was in a hurry so I didn’t slam him. Just a gave
> non-chalant "Hmmm, I gotta go." BTW, he’s a Ford-luver. I truly don’t
> believe it, but maybe I’m wrong about it…Not! He’s trying to pump up
> Ford because of their ineptness and lack of quality, effiency,
> durability, reliability and overall inadequacies over Toyota.
> I just read a post about a guy that was deciding between a Tacoma and
> a Ranger. The Ford dealer was going to give him the Ranger at cost,
> plus a $2-3k rebate. The Toyota dealer had a $750 rebate. He bought
> the Toyota. According to their respective Websites, the Ford 4×4 Ext
> cab V6 fully loaded is $22k. The Tacoma 4×4 Ext cab V6 fully loaded is
> $27k. Do the math: $22k – $5k = $17k Total; $27k – $750 = $26,250
> Total. Hmm, what’s that tell you?!
> BTW, I ‘don’t’ like Fords.
He is trying to pump up Ford. Never has happend. In fact, everything
here has been Toyots own engine. Now some Chevys used Corolla engines,
ie Nova and Geo Prism.
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> I had a not-so-reliable source (more apt for computer hardware than
> automotive) tell me he thinks Ford made a motor for Toyota, trucks I
> assume he meant. I was in a hurry so I didn’t slam him. Just a gave
> non-chalant "Hmmm, I gotta go." BTW, he’s a Ford-luver. I truly don’t
> believe it, but maybe I’m wrong about it…Not! He’s trying to pump up
> Ford because of their ineptness and lack of quality, effiency,
> durability, reliability and overall inadequacies over Toyota.
> I just read a post about a guy that was deciding between a Tacoma and
> a Ranger. The Ford dealer was going to give him the Ranger at cost,
> plus a $2-3k rebate. The Toyota dealer had a $750 rebate. He bought
> the Toyota. According to their respective Websites, the Ford 4×4 Ext
> cab V6 fully loaded is $22k. The Tacoma 4×4 Ext cab V6 fully loaded is
> $27k. Do the math: $22k – $5k = $17k Total; $27k – $750 = $26,250
> Total. Hmm, what’s that tell you?!
> BTW, I ‘don’t’ like Fords.
He’s probably confusing Toyota with Mazda. Ford owns about 1/3, 2/3? of
Mazda and they share a lot of the same parts.
BTW, tell him that next time he’s serious about a Ford Ranger, to look at
the Mazda "B" Series trucks. They’re the same truck as the Ford Ranger but
they come with a better warranty. (Of course, neither one of them is as good
as the Toyota but some beggars can’t be choosers!)
Copy and paste the following link to compare the two.
http://autos.msn.com/compare/choose.aspx?trim1=95336&trim2=96070&year...
year2=2003&Make1=25&Make2=43&Model1=10383&Model2=10453&pt=new
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> He’s trying to pump up
> Ford because of their ineptness and lack of quality, effiency,
> durability, reliability and overall inadequacies over Toyota.
i dunno, i dont think that ford is so bad.
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ToyMan wrote:
> "mazdaman85" <mazdama…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fbdd412b.0212241044.72e10bbd@posting.google.com…
>>I had a not-so-reliable source (more apt for computer hardware than
>>automotive) tell me he thinks Ford made a motor for Toyota, trucks I
>>assume he meant. I was in a hurry so I didn’t slam him. Just a gave
>>non-chalant "Hmmm, I gotta go." BTW, he’s a Ford-luver. I truly don’t
>>believe it, but maybe I’m wrong about it…Not! He’s trying to pump up
>>Ford because of their ineptness and lack of quality, effiency,
>>durability, reliability and overall inadequacies over Toyota.
>>I just read a post about a guy that was deciding between a Tacoma and
>>a Ranger. The Ford dealer was going to give him the Ranger at cost,
>>plus a $2-3k rebate. The Toyota dealer had a $750 rebate. He bought
>>the Toyota. According to their respective Websites, the Ford 4×4 Ext
>>cab V6 fully loaded is $22k. The Tacoma 4×4 Ext cab V6 fully loaded is
>>$27k. Do the math: $22k – $5k = $17k Total; $27k – $750 = $26,250
>>Total. Hmm, what’s that tell you?!
>>BTW, I ‘don’t’ like Fords.
> He’s probably confusing Toyota with Mazda. Ford owns about 1/3, 2/3? of
> Mazda and they share a lot of the same parts.
And next time you see a Ford Aspire, look to see who really makes this
one, you wont beleive it! Does anyone know who makes the Aspire?
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> And next time you see a Ford Aspire, look to see who really
> makes this one, you wont beleive it! Does anyone know who makes
> the Aspire?
Heard somewhere along the line that Kia is the guilty party…
me wrote:
>>And next time you see a Ford Aspire, look to see who really
>>makes this one, you wont beleive it! Does anyone know who makes
>>the Aspire?
> Heard somewhere along the line that Kia is the guilty party…
Me has it right! Yes, when you depend on Kia to build your nice cars,
what does that say about you?
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Kia, a Korean-built, Mazda-designed minicompact. (Better known as a roller
skate with airbags).
Steve
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| ToyMan wrote:
|
| > "mazdaman85" <mazdama…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:fbdd412b.0212241044.72e10bbd@posting.google.com…
| >
| >>I had a not-so-reliable source (more apt for computer hardware than
| >>automotive) tell me he thinks Ford made a motor for Toyota, trucks I
| >>assume he meant. I was in a hurry so I didn’t slam him. Just a gave
| >>non-chalant "Hmmm, I gotta go." BTW, he’s a Ford-luver. I truly don’t
| >>believe it, but maybe I’m wrong about it…Not! He’s trying to pump up
| >>Ford because of their ineptness and lack of quality, effiency,
| >>durability, reliability and overall inadequacies over Toyota.
| >>I just read a post about a guy that was deciding between a Tacoma and
| >>a Ranger. The Ford dealer was going to give him the Ranger at cost,
| >>plus a $2-3k rebate. The Toyota dealer had a $750 rebate. He bought
| >>the Toyota. According to their respective Websites, the Ford 4×4 Ext
| >>cab V6 fully loaded is $22k. The Tacoma 4×4 Ext cab V6 fully loaded is
| >>$27k. Do the math: $22k – $5k = $17k Total; $27k – $750 = $26,250
| >>Total. Hmm, what’s that tell you?!
| >>BTW, I ‘don’t’ like Fords.
| >>
| >
| > He’s probably confusing Toyota with Mazda. Ford owns about 1/3, 2/3? of
| > Mazda and they share a lot of the same parts.
|
|
| And next time you see a Ford Aspire, look to see who really makes this
| one, you wont beleive it! Does anyone know who makes the Aspire?
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Steve wrote:
> Kia, a Korean-built, Mazda-designed minicompact. (Better known as a roller
> skate with airbags).
> Steve
Jack up an Escort GT and a Kia Sephia, you cant tell the difference from
underneath and the engines are the same too. Mazda used to build Kias
engine, now they build their own exact copy.
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ToyMan wrote:
And next time you see a Ford Aspire, look to see who really makes this
one, you wont beleive it! Does anyone know who makes the Aspire?
I think it KIA & most of the parts are made in Korea.
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> i dunno, i dont think that ford is so bad.
Nathan
I have a 90 SR5 v6 4wd and 91 F-150 5.0. Toy at 90K and Ford at 110K miles.
I like them both, but if you compare 12 years of repairs, there is no
contest. You really don’t need the blow by blow, do you?
But I have to dip my head entering the Toyota, and not so for the Ford. And
the Ford pulls a lot more and uses twice the gas on the highway. So I keep
them both.
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> I like them both, but if you compare 12 years of repairs, there is no
> contest. You really don’t need the blow by blow, do you?
of course not. ive owned probably a dozen of each and while my toyotas have
always been really good to me, that doesnt mean that fords are the total
dogs that the original poster suggested.
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mazdaman85 schrieb:
> I had a not-so-reliable source (more apt for computer hardware than
> automotive) tell me he thinks Ford made a motor for Toyota, trucks I
> assume he meant.
As far as I know (and a quick look under the valve cover told me I was
right) engines from the ‘B’-Series were build by DAIHATSU.
Axel
Don’t you mean the Ford "Expire"?
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> ToyMan wrote:
> > "mazdaman85" <mazdama…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:fbdd412b.0212241044.72e10bbd@posting.google.com…
> >>I had a not-so-reliable source (more apt for computer hardware than
> >>automotive) tell me he thinks Ford made a motor for Toyota, trucks I
> >>assume he meant. I was in a hurry so I didn’t slam him. Just a gave
> >>non-chalant "Hmmm, I gotta go." BTW, he’s a Ford-luver. I truly don’t
> >>believe it, but maybe I’m wrong about it…Not! He’s trying to pump up
> >>Ford because of their ineptness and lack of quality, effiency,
> >>durability, reliability and overall inadequacies over Toyota.
> >>I just read a post about a guy that was deciding between a Tacoma and
> >>a Ranger. The Ford dealer was going to give him the Ranger at cost,
> >>plus a $2-3k rebate. The Toyota dealer had a $750 rebate. He bought
> >>the Toyota. According to their respective Websites, the Ford 4×4 Ext
> >>cab V6 fully loaded is $22k. The Tacoma 4×4 Ext cab V6 fully loaded is
> >>$27k. Do the math: $22k – $5k = $17k Total; $27k – $750 = $26,250
> >>Total. Hmm, what’s that tell you?!
> >>BTW, I ‘don’t’ like Fords.
> > He’s probably confusing Toyota with Mazda. Ford owns about 1/3, 2/3? of
> > Mazda and they share a lot of the same parts.
> And next time you see a Ford Aspire, look to see who really makes this
> one, you wont beleive it! Does anyone know who makes the Aspire?
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> "Rubin" <n…@none.com> wrote in message
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> > I like them both, but if you compare 12 years of repairs, there is no
> > contest. You really don’t need the blow by blow, do you?
> of course not. ive owned probably a dozen of each and while my toyotas have
> always been really good to me, that doesnt mean that fords are the total
> dogs that the original poster suggested.
I didn’t intend to start a bashing contest with the post. In all of my
experiences with Fords, they have _all_ been not good. I’ve never
owned one, so here’s what I’m talking about.
1.At my work we had an early-80s F150 MT used just for hauling the
trash to the dumpster and errands around town. The carb had to be
rebuilt 4 times before it was decided to get rid of it. Not to mention
the shift lever coming off in my hand when I was shifting.
2.Uncle’s ’86 F350 constantly losing oil pressure and paint peeling
off. The paint was replaced for just $300. The oil pump was replaced
multiple times, for about $300-$400 a pop, with the last being a
hi-output racing pump which didn’t help at all. Final move was to
replace the motor at a tune of $2500. I think he paid more in repairs
than he did for the truck when new.
3.Other uncle had a older LTD that had a similar problem with the oil
pressure. It was fixed in MA but the problem returned less than 10
miles later. Ended up having to replace the motor. Which, eventually,
did the same thing.
4.Cousin had a ’94 F150 for commuting and plowing his driveway. This
was in ’96. Front wheels lost their caster/camber at the top and
‘caved in’ about 1" on each wheel. He didn’t bother fixing. Got a ’94
Chevy 1500 which took much more abuse until last year when he sold it
to a friend and got a Toyota.
5.My brother has an ’88 Ranger sitting in his yard. He’s had it since
1997. He’s had to replace the fuel pump, gas tank, valve springs,
blower motor and rebuild the carb twice.
Shall we get into recalls and the types?
Now, on the other hand, I have an ’89 Mazda B-2200 (never a recall for
that year – a perfect truck) I’ve had since April of 1997. All I’ve
had to do is replace the starter ($50) and the front rotors (normal
wear) until a coupe weeks ago the front bearing in the rear diff
starting grinding. But it still runs great and drives. I still use it.
I got a ’90 4Runner to get me through the winter, but I love them
both.
Sorry for the length but it’s Ford’s fault. ;o) j/k
I share your sentiments with Arctic Cats (’02 300 4×4) but just not
the Fords.
Everyone have a great Christmas. I liked your Holiday post too Nathan!
Mike
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> I didn’t intend to start a bashing contest with the post.
i understand, and wasnt trying to be argumentative at all.
> I share your sentiments with Arctic Cats (’02 300 4×4)
kick ass! heres mine http://atvonline.info/webmaster/atv/index.html (3
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ToyMan wrote:
> Don’t you mean the Ford "Expire"?
LOL, or the Ford Excuse!
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> "mazdaman85" <mazdama…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > I didn’t intend to start a bashing contest with the post.
> i understand, and wasnt trying to be argumentative at all.
> > I share your sentiments with Arctic Cats (’02 300 4×4)
> kick ass! heres mine http://atvonline.info/webmaster/atv/index.html (3
> pages)
Cool! I recall looking at those pics from a link on the alt.atv group
)
before. Mine’s only a 300, but I’ll try to post some pics of it later
today. They’re all ‘pretty’ shots as I’m always on it and can’t take
pics of myself.
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> mazdaman85 schrieb:
> > I had a not-so-reliable source (more apt for computer hardware than
> > automotive) tell me he thinks Ford made a motor for Toyota, trucks I
> > assume he meant.
> As far as I know (and a quick look under the valve cover told me I was
> right) engines from the ‘B’-Series were build by DAIHATSU.
> Axel
I think the not-so-reliable source got it backwards. The Toyota Hybrid
System (THS) is going into the ’04 Ford Escape. I think that is probably
what he was thinking of. Most US OEMs will use foreign made engines, like
Chevy’s Duramax Diesel (made by Isuzu) insteading of spending millions to
develop a new engine. Toyota and Nissan are developing a hybrid engine
together that will be in both OEMs by 2005. The only chevy engines in Toys
are the 327 and 350s some owners dropped in their old 80′s era 4x4s.
Let’s not forget the Ford "Mistake", the Ford "Exploder" and the Ford
"Windbag".
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> > Don’t you mean the Ford "Expire"?
> LOL, or the Ford Excuse!
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Not to be a Ford apologist, I suspect many of those rollover lawsuits were
caused due to a loose screw between the steering wheel and the driver’s
seat.
Take your typical suburbanite who’s been driving a typical sedan, and throw
them in a larger vehicle with a higher center of gravity. Mix in a cell
phone, a little extra speed, an interstate, and ignorance of the vehicle’s
turning response, and you’ve got an untrained first-time handgun owner
showing it off to his/her best friend.
As we all now know too well, it has to be the manufacturer’s fault, whether
it’s phillip morris, smith and wesson, ford, or even mcdonald’s – as the
individual is to stupid to bear any responsibility in the matter.
jmo,
Stew
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> Let’s not forget the Ford "Mistake", the Ford "Exploder" and the Ford
> "Windbag".
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> > LOL, or the Ford Excuse!
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> Not to be a Ford apologist, I suspect many of those rollover lawsuits were
> caused due to a loose screw between the steering wheel and the driver’s
> seat.
> Take your typical suburbanite who’s been driving a typical sedan, and
throw
> them in a larger vehicle with a higher center of gravity. Mix in a cell
> phone, a little extra speed, an interstate, and ignorance of the vehicle’s
> turning response, and you’ve got an untrained first-time handgun owner
> showing it off to his/her best friend.
> As we all now know too well, it has to be the manufacturer’s fault,
whether
> it’s phillip morris, smith and wesson, ford, or even mcdonald’s – as the
> individual is to stupid to bear any responsibility in the matter.
> jmo,
> Stew
I’m not trying to defend Ford (or blame them either) but, I saw one of the
auto shows (Motorworld TV I think) where they took and Explorer and equipped
the left rear tire with an instant deflator device. A trained driver with
helmet then had the tire instantly deflated at a time unknown to him and at
different speeds. They started at (as best I remember) 30mph and went by
10mph increments to 60mph. Results were no rollover. The key was the trained
driver who stopped the SUV the correct way each time and an everyday driver
probably didn’t.
But, like you said, who’s responsible for themselves anymore???
davidj92
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On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 22:26:02 GMT, ToyMan <mbg1…@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "mazdaman85" <mazdama…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fbdd412b.0212241044.72e10bbd@posting.google.com…
>> I had a not-so-reliable source (more apt for computer hardware than
>> automotive) tell me he thinks Ford made a motor for Toyota, trucks I
>> assume he meant. I was in a hurry so I didn’t slam him. Just a gave
>> non-chalant "Hmmm, I gotta go." BTW, he’s a Ford-luver. I truly don’t
>> believe it, but maybe I’m wrong about it…Not! He’s trying to pump up
>> Ford because of their ineptness and lack of quality, effiency,
>> durability, reliability and overall inadequacies over Toyota.
>> I just read a post about a guy that was deciding between a Tacoma and
>> a Ranger. The Ford dealer was going to give him the Ranger at cost,
>> plus a $2-3k rebate. The Toyota dealer had a $750 rebate. He bought
>> the Toyota. According to their respective Websites, the Ford 4×4 Ext
>> cab V6 fully loaded is $22k. The Tacoma 4×4 Ext cab V6 fully loaded is
>> $27k. Do the math: $22k – $5k = $17k Total; $27k – $750 = $26,250
>> Total. Hmm, what’s that tell you?!
>> BTW, I ‘don’t’ like Fords.
> He’s probably confusing Toyota with Mazda. Ford owns about 1/3, 2/3? of
> Mazda and they share a lot of the same parts.
Now I know why they put Mazda transmissions in Ford F-150′s. I never
figured that one out till now. Thanks.
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> BTW, tell him that next time he’s serious about a Ford Ranger, to look at
> the Mazda "B" Series trucks. They’re the same truck as the Ford Ranger but
> they come with a better warranty. (Of course, neither one of them is as good
> as the Toyota but some beggars can’t be choosers!)
> Copy and paste the following link to compare the two.
> http://autos.msn.com/compare/choose.aspx?trim1=95336&trim2=96070&year...
> year2=2003&Make1=25&Make2=43&Model1=10383&Model2=10453&pt=new