I currently have AISIN manual locking hubs in my 87 toyota X- cab. The only
problem is….ITS TOO ANNYOING TO GET OUT AND LOCK THEM !!!
Call me lazy 
I was wondering about the pro’s/ con’s of auto locking hubs…and for that
matter if they can even be put on, and what sort of hubs i should buy,
installation tips, experiences…etc, etc
Any help greatly appreciated
Tony
Tony wrote:
> I currently have AISIN manual locking hubs in my 87 toyota X- cab. The only
> problem is….ITS TOO ANNYOING TO GET OUT AND LOCK THEM !!!
> Call me lazy
> I was wondering about the pro’s/ con’s of auto locking hubs…and for that
> matter if they can even be put on, and what sort of hubs i should buy,
> installation tips, experiences…etc, etc
> Any help greatly appreciated
> Tony
You can leave your manual hubs locked while you are in 2WD unless you have some
strange setup I’m not aware of.
On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 00:57:44 -0500, "Tony" <amric…@mindspring.com>
wrote:
>I currently have AISIN manual locking hubs in my 87 toyota X- cab. The only
>problem is….ITS TOO ANNYOING TO GET OUT AND LOCK THEM !!!
>Call me lazy
>I was wondering about the pro’s/ con’s of auto locking hubs…and for that
>matter if they can even be put on, and what sort of hubs i should buy,
>installation tips, experiences…etc, etc
>Any help greatly appreciated
>Tony
Ah, but you haven’t been enlightened with the wisdom of the masters.
When preparing to go into areas where stucked-ness is likely to occur,
you stop and get out on nice solid dry ground and lock your front hubs
first. That means when things get sloppy – or worse, you get a first
hand lesson on the "Zen of Stuck" – all you have to do is throw the
lever (or push the button) to engage 4WD, you pop right out of the
sippy hole, and all is good with the world. You hope…
And worse news, automatic hubs have this horrible habit of becoming
disengaged if you roll back a bit, and then trying to re-engage under
full power, which has the unwanted effect of having the hub do an
imitation of a hand grenade with the pin pulled and the lever
released. In other words: "They done blowed up reel gud."
When one has broken, the front axle ceases to do any work, and you
often stay stuck without outside help.
Stay with manual hubs. They don’t break nearly as often.
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On the Jeep side, the 86-96 YJ’s had this not-so-good vacuum actuated
automatic locking front driveshaft mechanism, whereas the 97+ TJ’s have the
front driveshaft/hubs locked always with good enough bearings to accommodate
the constant rotation. This obviously eliminates any kind of "now you see
it, now you don’t" 4 wheel drive operation like you mention below.
I was led to believe that the recent Toy’s (like 96+) were the same now with
always locked ds/hubs. Is this incorrect? Perhaps a real brief chronology of
the Toyota four wheel drivetrain would be in order here.
Thanks,
Matt
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> And worse news, automatic hubs have this horrible habit of becoming
> disengaged if you roll back a bit, and then trying to re-engage under
> full power, which has the unwanted effect of having the hub do an
> imitation of a hand grenade with the pin pulled and the lever
> released. In other words: "They done blowed up reel gud."
> When one has broken, the front axle ceases to do any work, and you
> often stay stuck without outside help.
I have a ’96 Tacoma with 4 cyl. engine–these have a manual locking hub. I
was told that the V-6 came with the auto. hubs.
Alan
"Matt" <mbau…@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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> On the Jeep side, the 86-96 YJ’s had this not-so-good vacuum actuated
> automatic locking front driveshaft mechanism, whereas the 97+ TJ’s have
the
> front driveshaft/hubs locked always with good enough bearings to
accommodate
> the constant rotation. This obviously eliminates any kind of "now you see
> it, now you don’t" 4 wheel drive operation like you mention below.
> I was led to believe that the recent Toy’s (like 96+) were the same now
with
> always locked ds/hubs. Is this incorrect? Perhaps a real brief chronology
of
> the Toyota four wheel drivetrain would be in order here.
> Thanks,
> Matt
> > And worse news, automatic hubs have this horrible habit of becoming
> > disengaged if you roll back a bit, and then trying to re-engage under
> > full power, which has the unwanted effect of having the hub do an
> > imitation of a hand grenade with the pin pulled and the lever
> > released. In other words: "They done blowed up reel gud."
> > When one has broken, the front axle ceases to do any work, and you
> > often stay stuck without outside help.
Tony wrote:
> I currently have AISIN manual locking hubs in my 87 toyota X- cab. The only
> problem is….ITS TOO ANNYOING TO GET OUT AND LOCK THEM !!!
> Call me lazy
> I was wondering about the pro’s/ con’s of auto locking hubs…and for that
> matter if they can even be put on, and what sort of hubs i should buy,
> installation tips, experiences…etc, etc
> Any help greatly appreciated
> Tony
Tony, rigs with auto locking hubs have different innerds in the transfer
caee, ie synchros, if you added auto hubs, you’d have to come to a full
stop to shift from 2HI to 4HI, as it is now, if you are in tough
terrain, just lock the hubs and shift on the fly from 2hi to 4 hi as
needed, you dont have to unlock the hubs all the time, just when you get
back on dry pavement. I’d leave it alone, its reliable as it is, IMHO
—
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Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician/ASE Master/L-1
Personal webpage— http://pweb.netcom.com/~ssauer40/webpage.htm
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in the hands of law abiding Americans are more of a threat than nuclear
weapons in the hands of the Red Chinese; global temperatures are less
affected by cyclical documented changes in the sun and more affected by
SUV’s; you believe business creates oppression and governments create
prosperity; the military, not corrupt politicians start wars; there was
no art before federal funding; the NRA is bad because it stands up for
certain parts of the constitution, while the ACLU is good because it
stands up for certain parts of the constitution; you believe Tubman,
Chavez and Steinem are more important to American history than
Jefferson, Washington and Edison; you believe conservatives are racist,
yet think minorities couldn’t make it without your help; you believe
socialism hasn’t worked yet because the right people haven’t been in
charge yet; self esteem is more important than actually doing something
to earn it; and finally, you are against capital punishment, but for
abortion on demand, in short,you support protecting the guilty, while
killing the innocent!
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Matt wrote:
> On the Jeep side, the 86-96 YJ’s had this not-so-good vacuum actuated
> automatic locking front driveshaft mechanism, whereas the 97+ TJ’s have the
> front driveshaft/hubs locked always with good enough bearings to accommodate
> the constant rotation. This obviously eliminates any kind of "now you see
> it, now you don’t" 4 wheel drive operation like you mention below.
> I was led to believe that the recent Toy’s (like 96+) were the same now with
> always locked ds/hubs. Is this incorrect? Perhaps a real brief chronology of
> the Toyota four wheel drivetrain would be in order here.
> Thanks,
> Matt
> > And worse news, automatic hubs have this horrible habit of becoming
> > disengaged if you roll back a bit, and then trying to re-engage under
> > full power, which has the unwanted effect of having the hub do an
> > imitation of a hand grenade with the pin pulled and the lever
> > released. In other words: "They done blowed up reel gud."
> > When one has broken, the front axle ceases to do any work, and you
> > often stay stuck without outside help.
Well, basically, YES, but it was called "ADD" and it showed up in 1989,
but free wheeling hubs are still around today also.
—
*** Rick Jones ***
Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician/ASE Master/L-1
Personal webpage— http://pweb.netcom.com/~ssauer40/webpage.htm
*********************************************************************
What it takes to be a modern day liberal democrat!
You believe that the AIDS virus is spread by lack of funding; trial
lawyers are selfless heroes and doctors are overpaid; you believe guns
in the hands of law abiding Americans are more of a threat than nuclear
weapons in the hands of the Red Chinese; global temperatures are less
affected by cyclical documented changes in the sun and more affected by
SUV’s; you believe business creates oppression and governments create
prosperity; the military, not corrupt politicians start wars; there was
no art before federal funding; the NRA is bad because it stands up for
certain parts of the constitution, while the ACLU is good because it
stands up for certain parts of the constitution; you believe Tubman,
Chavez and Steinem are more important to American history than
Jefferson, Washington and Edison; you believe conservatives are racist,
yet think minorities couldn’t make it without your help; you believe
socialism hasn’t worked yet because the right people haven’t been in
charge yet; self esteem is more important than actually doing something
to earn it; and finally, you are against capital punishment, but for
abortion on demand, in short,you support protecting the guilty, while
killing the innocent!
I have heard that leaving the hubs locked and driving in 2HI will damage the
mechanism
Any truth to this?
Rick Jones <ssaue…@switchboard.net> wrote in message
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> Tony wrote:
> > I currently have AISIN manual locking hubs in my 87 toyota X- cab. The
only
> > problem is….ITS TOO ANNYOING TO GET OUT AND LOCK THEM !!!
> > Call me lazy
> > I was wondering about the pro’s/ con’s of auto locking hubs…and for
that
> > matter if they can even be put on, and what sort of hubs i should buy,
> > installation tips, experiences…etc, etc
> > Any help greatly appreciated
> > Tony
> Tony, rigs with auto locking hubs have different innerds in the transfer
> caee, ie synchros, if you added auto hubs, you’d have to come to a full
> stop to shift from 2HI to 4HI, as it is now, if you are in tough
> terrain, just lock the hubs and shift on the fly from 2hi to 4 hi as
> needed, you dont have to unlock the hubs all the time, just when you get
> back on dry pavement. I’d leave it alone, its reliable as it is, IMHO
> —
> *** Rick Jones ***
> Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician/ASE Master/L-1
> Personal webpage— http://pweb.netcom.com/~ssauer40/webpage.htm
> *********************************************************************
> What it takes to be a modern day liberal democrat!
> You believe that the AIDS virus is spread by lack of funding; trial
> lawyers are selfless heroes and doctors are overpaid; you believe guns
> in the hands of law abiding Americans are more of a threat than nuclear
> weapons in the hands of the Red Chinese; global temperatures are less
> affected by cyclical documented changes in the sun and more affected by
> SUV’s; you believe business creates oppression and governments create
> prosperity; the military, not corrupt politicians start wars; there was
> no art before federal funding; the NRA is bad because it stands up for
> certain parts of the constitution, while the ACLU is good because it
> stands up for certain parts of the constitution; you believe Tubman,
> Chavez and Steinem are more important to American history than
> Jefferson, Washington and Edison; you believe conservatives are racist,
> yet think minorities couldn’t make it without your help; you believe
> socialism hasn’t worked yet because the right people haven’t been in
> charge yet; self esteem is more important than actually doing something
> to earn it; and finally, you are against capital punishment, but for
> abortion on demand, in short,you support protecting the guilty, while
> killing the innocent!
By the way
any one have any problems putting a kenwood KDC – 7011 head into a late 80′s
X – Cab pickup? I have….my dash no look pretty no more
Thanks yall
Tony
Tony <amric…@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> I currently have AISIN manual locking hubs in my 87 toyota X- cab. The
only
> problem is….ITS TOO ANNYOING TO GET OUT AND LOCK THEM !!!
> Call me lazy
> I was wondering about the pro’s/ con’s of auto locking hubs…and for that
> matter if they can even be put on, and what sort of hubs i should buy,
> installation tips, experiences…etc, etc
> Any help greatly appreciated
> Tony
Tony wrote:
> I have heard that leaving the hubs locked and driving in 2HI will damage the
> mechanism
> Any truth to this?
None, no damage, all the parts are turning and lubricating. Free
wheeling hubs just stop them from rotating preventing wear and helping
mileage. When you head off road, lock them in, then you wont have to
slop around in mud when you get stuck, just pull the transfer lever
straight back, you can do this on the fly as long as the rear wheels are
not spinning.
*** Rick Jones ***
Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician/ASE Master/L-1
Personal webpage— http://pweb.netcom.com/~ssauer40/webpage.htm
*********************************************************************
What it takes to be a modern day liberal democrat!
You believe that the AIDS virus is spread by lack of funding; trial
lawyers are selfless heroes and doctors are overpaid; you believe guns
in the hands of law abiding Americans are more of a threat than nuclear
weapons in the hands of the Red Chinese; global temperatures are less
affected by cyclical documented changes in the sun and more affected by
SUV’s; you believe business creates oppression and governments create
prosperity; the military, not corrupt politicians start wars; there was
no art before federal funding; the NRA is bad because it stands up for
certain parts of the constitution, while the ACLU is good because it
stands up for certain parts of the constitution; you believe Tubman,
Chavez and Steinem are more important to American history than
Jefferson, Washington and Edison; you believe conservatives are racist,
yet think minorities couldn’t make it without your help; you believe
socialism hasn’t worked yet because the right people haven’t been in
charge yet; self esteem is more important than actually doing something
to earn it; and finally, you are against capital punishment, but for
abortion on demand, in short,you support protecting the guilty, while
killing the innocent!