All–
Read on Edmunds that it is better to locate the dealer w/ your
car’s wish list, and deal w/ him, rather than another dealer who has to
bring it in. True? Worth the trouble to run around yourself?
Also, the 2005′s are coming in, looking for leftover 2004. Now is
certainly a good time to buy, but would Nov/Dec be that much better? In the
50 mi. radius around me (approx. NYC), there are about 250-300 vehicles
(frontiers/tacomas), about 50-100 of them configured approx. as I would
like. I’m thinking these dealers are not going to run out of these
tomorrow! Also *stacked full* of 2004 Sentra’s!
Should I wait? Haggle hard now? Kinda want to get it over with, as
well.
Recalling someone’s comment here that they waited a cupla months
before their dealer made sense on a Tacoma.
I know all the invoice stuff, avg price paid, from Edmunds.
But the accessory stuff is sort of a mystery. I have an idea they
keep it a mystery for the final screwing of the customer. Keep the
accessories separate? Do them later, after taking delivery? Any esp. good
way to handle this?? Do third party wherever poss??
TIA.
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Mr. P.V.’d
formerly Droll Troll
Well, of course I’m reading this with intrest, because I’m
in the process right now of buying a loaded 2004 Tacoma Double Cab
4WD.
I called the local dealer I’ve delt with for my past 2 new Toyota
truck purchases.
I told him what I wanted, but I insisted it have a white exterior.
He said if it were in the area (NJ), he would find it for me.
Next day he emails me a price ($24,600) on a silver one that is
in stock (his stock). Not a bad price for this area, but it doesn’t
seem like he looked any further than his own parking lot.
So, I went looking on the Internet myself and found at least 3 in
white in the NJ area myself on the Internet (not all dealers listed
their inventory). I called the dealer with 2 in stock (sticker
$28,100) and told him if he can make me a good deal, we may be able to
do some business.
Waiting for a salesman to come up short on monthly quotas is a tricky
thing…they do sell other cars besides the one you may be looking
for.
And the longer they sit on the dealer lot, the more they pay to have
it
sit there, thus increasing the bottom line sell price, not decreasing
it.
That said, the trucks in the NYC area usually do command a higher
price
because the dealer knows that he’ll eventually get a better price, but
it
depends on how hot the market is, and right now it’s only warm.
You could shop out of state where you could get a much better price,
if you want to do some traveling, or pay the extra $500-800. shipping
costs. It could be worth it.
Supply and demand. Demand high supply low = high price.
Low demand supply high = low price.
But you have to realize, the dealer is well aware of this also.
Happy shopping!
> …told him what I wanted, but I insisted it have a white exterior.
I asked the same of my Toyota dealer regarding white as it’s to damn hot
around here for a dark color. But something bothers me about the Toyota
"white." It really is an "off-white" compared to other manufacturer’s (i.e
Dodge’s "Bright White") and it always looks dirty for some reason. I just
don’t care for it as it never seems to clean up or wax up to a nice "white."
B~
Well, I gotta do sumpn different, cuz these goddamm car salesmen
are poundin the shit outta me; I leave these goddamm showrooms pert near
black and blue, and pissed like a muhfugguh.
The next salesperson that asks, *What* can I do to earn your
business TODAY, ahma suggest, Well, perhaps you should just slide down under
the table, bro, and really start earnin…….
So, ahm sittin at the desk, gettin goddamm POUNDED, all the while
listening to the poor SOB at the next desk gettin pounded WORSE than me….
Goodgawd….
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Mr. P.V.’d
formerly Droll Troll
"studio" <tl…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Well, of course I’m reading this with intrest, because I’m
> in the process right now of buying a loaded 2004 Tacoma Double Cab
> 4WD.
> I called the local dealer I’ve delt with for my past 2 new Toyota
> truck purchases.
> I told him what I wanted, but I insisted it have a white exterior.
> He said if it were in the area (NJ), he would find it for me.
> Next day he emails me a price ($24,600) on a silver one that is
> in stock (his stock). Not a bad price for this area, but it doesn’t
> seem like he looked any further than his own parking lot.
> So, I went looking on the Internet myself and found at least 3 in
> white in the NJ area myself on the Internet (not all dealers listed
> their inventory). I called the dealer with 2 in stock (sticker
> $28,100) and told him if he can make me a good deal, we may be able to
> do some business.
> Waiting for a salesman to come up short on monthly quotas is a tricky
> thing…they do sell other cars besides the one you may be looking
> for.
> And the longer they sit on the dealer lot, the more they pay to have
> it
> sit there, thus increasing the bottom line sell price, not decreasing
> it.
> That said, the trucks in the NYC area usually do command a higher
> price
> because the dealer knows that he’ll eventually get a better price, but
> it
> depends on how hot the market is, and right now it’s only warm.
> You could shop out of state where you could get a much better price,
> if you want to do some traveling, or pay the extra $500-800. shipping
> costs. It could be worth it.
> Supply and demand. Demand high supply low = high price.
> Low demand supply high = low price.
> But you have to realize, the dealer is well aware of this also.
> Happy shopping!
"Kathy and Erich Coiner" <kathy.coi…@gte.net> wrote in
news:DWC3d.5920$2A1.1008@trnddc08:
> Find a dealer that has a vehicle that you want.
> On the last night of the month, walk in about 45 minutes before
> closing. Tell them what you want and what your best price is.
> Ask them how badly they want to make the monthly sales quota.
> Erich
The strategy I use is to walk in 3-4 days before the end of the month.
Show genuine interest in the vehicle you want. Let them get you all the
way back to the finance manager, where he’s showing you what the
payments/final will be, etc. Let them have your phone number. Then say
‘Thanks, i’ll think it over, still seems a bit high’. Get up and walk
out without ever saying another word. Guaranteed you will get a call the
next day with a ‘Well we talked it over with the general manager…and
this is what we can do..’. Haggle a bit more…tomorrow another call
from them… Keep stringing them out till the last day of the month.
Takes a bit of time, but so far has gotten me and average of $3-4k off
the price. Now…tell me dealers aren’t making some cash…
–
Anthony
You can’t ‘idiot proof’ anything….every time you try, they just make
better idiots.
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In article <414ee237$0$2650$61fed…@news.rcn.com>, physi…@erols.com says…
>All–
> Read on Edmunds that it is better to locate the dealer w/ your
>car’s wish list, and deal w/ him, rather than another dealer who has to
>bring it in. True? Worth the trouble to run around yourself?
True. A car sitting on the lot is costing him money. So it is in his
best interest to sell it as quickly as possible.
> Also, the 2005′s are coming in, looking for leftover 2004. Now is
>certainly a good time to buy, but would Nov/Dec be that much better?
Maybe, maybe not. Depends on how popular the car you want to buy is. It
could very well sell out by the time you are ready to buy.
>In the
>50 mi. radius around me (approx. NYC), there are about 250-300 vehicles
>(frontiers/tacomas), about 50-100 of them configured approx. as I would
>like. I’m thinking these dealers are not going to run out of these
>tomorrow! Also *stacked full* of 2004 Sentra’s!
If the dealers start to drop the price, they might go fast.
>Should I wait? Haggle hard now? Kinda want to get it over with, as
>well.
I would haggle hard now. If the dealer won’t budge, then wait. Just keep
in mind you risk losing the car you want.
> Recalling someone’s comment here that they waited a cupla months
>before their dealer made sense on a Tacoma.
> I know all the invoice stuff, avg price paid, from Edmunds.
> But the accessory stuff is sort of a mystery. I have an idea they
>keep it a mystery for the final screwing of the customer. Keep the
>accessories separate? Do them later, after taking delivery? Any esp. good
>way to handle this?? Do third party wherever poss??
Do some more research. The dealer price of accesories is available.
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Alex
In article <4150551f$0$2666$61fed…@news.rcn.com>, physi…@erols.com says…
> This last guy asked to see my driver’s license. Any reason for
>that??
Unless you are taking a test drive, there is no good reason to give it
to them.
————
Alex
"Alex Rodriguez" <a…@columbia.edu> wrote in message news:cipt1h$dr1
> I would haggle hard now. If the dealer won’t budge, then wait. Just keep
> in mind you risk losing the car you want.
This last point is very important. The folks who get the best deals
need to have flexibility in their purchasing time, choice of options/colors,
or a little luck.
If you are intent on getting one particular option set, color, interior,
and don’t want to risk not getting exactly that, then it’s going to be much
tougher to haggle successfully. In fact, it may help to not let the
salesperson know the one you want is EXACTLY what you want. That way they
can’t use that limitation to their advantage.
Dave
"B. Peg" <bent_…@att.nett> wrote in message <news:ixL3d.614380$Gx4.424305@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>…
> > …told him what I wanted, but I insisted it have a white exterior.
> I asked the same of my Toyota dealer regarding white as it’s to damn hot
> around here for a dark color. But something bothers me about the Toyota
> "white." It really is an "off-white" compared to other manufacturer’s (i.e
> Dodge’s "Bright White") and it always looks dirty for some reason. I just
> don’t care for it as it never seems to clean up or wax up to a nice "white."
> B~
True enough. The last 2 Toyota trucks I’ve owned have been white. It
does take some extra cleaning muscle to get them really nice…usually
waxing them once really good, then going over it a second time fast
gives results that are satisfactory. I’ll try a polish next time
instead of a wax and see if that works better.
I am also of the mind that white is a cooler color that holds up
better in extremely hot sunny environments (although I have no
scientific evidence to support this). I like plain simple colors on
vehicles (white, red or black), but other colors can look neat also.
tl…@hotmail.com (studio) wrote in message <news:4fac3168.0409201621.45eaece@posting.google.com>…
> Well, of course I’m reading this with intrest, because I’m
> in the process right now of buying a loaded 2004 Tacoma Double Cab
> 4WD.
> I called the local dealer I’ve delt with for my past 2 new Toyota
> truck purchases.
> I told him what I wanted, but I insisted it have a white exterior.
> He said if it were in the area (NJ), he would find it for me.
> Next day he emails me a price ($24,600) on a silver one that is
> in stock (his stock). Not a bad price for this area, but it doesn’t
> seem like he looked any further than his own parking lot.
<snip>
Update: He wants me to commit on the silver one so that he can trade
it for the white one I want out-of-state.
They really do wheel-and-deal after all.
Sposedly, white is a statistically safer color. Don’t know if
that is reflected in insurance rates. Not clear if white cars are just more
visible, ergo safer, or people who like white cars are just safer drivers!
Dudn’t matter, from an actuarial POV.
Municipalities seem to almost exclusively buy white cars for their
fleets–at least around here. Except for the Ticket Peeple, who require a
little incognito stealth…
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Mr. P.V.’d
formerly Droll Troll
"studio" <tl…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "B. Peg" <bent_…@att.nett> wrote in message
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> > > …told him what I wanted, but I insisted it have a white exterior.
> > I asked the same of my Toyota dealer regarding white as it’s to damn hot
> > around here for a dark color. But something bothers me about the Toyota
> > "white." It really is an "off-white" compared to other manufacturer’s
(i.e
> > Dodge’s "Bright White") and it always looks dirty for some reason. I
just
> > don’t care for it as it never seems to clean up or wax up to a nice
"white."
> > B~
> True enough. The last 2 Toyota trucks I’ve owned have been white. It
> does take some extra cleaning muscle to get them really nice…usually
> waxing them once really good, then going over it a second time fast
> gives results that are satisfactory. I’ll try a polish next time
> instead of a wax and see if that works better.
> I am also of the mind that white is a cooler color that holds up
> better in extremely hot sunny environments (although I have no
> scientific evidence to support this). I like plain simple colors on
> vehicles (white, red or black), but other colors can look neat also.
Besides the research you’ve already done, you might want to read
_Don’t Get Taken Every Time_ by Remar Sutton. The latest edition
contains an interesting bit about the Internet.
Sutton focuses on dealerships both new and used and the tricks that
they employ, though he discusses other topics related to car buying.
In particular, he gets deeply into the reasons why you probably want
to arrange your own financing rather than submitting to the
arrangements offered by the dealer.
Best of luck,
–Joe
Ad absurdum per aspera <jtc…@california.com> wrote:
> Besides the research you’ve already done, you might want to read
> _Don’t Get Taken Every Time_ by Remar Sutton. The latest edition
> contains an interesting bit about the Internet.
> Sutton focuses on dealerships both new and used and the tricks that
> they employ, though he discusses other topics related to car buying.
> In particular, he gets deeply into the reasons why you probably want
> to arrange your own financing rather than submitting to the
> arrangements offered by the dealer.
> Best of luck,
> –Joe
I found some great stuff by googling for Remar Sutton.
Thanks,
Andrew
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"Andrew" <and…@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Ad absurdum per aspera <jtc…@california.com> wrote:
> > Besides the research you’ve already done, you might want to read
> > _Don’t Get Taken Every Time_ by Remar Sutton. The latest edition
> > contains an interesting bit about the Internet.
> > Sutton focuses on dealerships both new and used and the tricks that
> > they employ, though he discusses other topics related to car buying.
> > In particular, he gets deeply into the reasons why you probably want
> > to arrange your own financing rather than submitting to the
> > arrangements offered by the dealer.
> > Best of luck,
> > –Joe
> I found some great stuff by googling for Remar Sutton.
Where exactly?
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Mr. P.V.’d, computer moron
formerly Droll Troll
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> Thanks,
> Andrew